I have placed an order for 20 rolls of blue foam, its a labor item so it should be here in about 3-5 weeks as soon as it gets in we can start builds but we can only get this huge ventilated rocking space 2 times a month at my work (Williams theater).
we need people to help crank out weps and shields. The goal is 3 shields and 5 bats per 4 hour session.
When we have 10 shields and 16 clubs we can start on other things like spears arrows glaives and javies,
soon as spring.. springs... (sorry) we can start fighting on campus with all this fun new gear getting a LOT of new people.
After that I hope to find universities with funding who we can have events with. i.e. IPFW Vs. Ball State then we can put up banners in both schools saying that we beat Ball State and they can do the same, all for advertising and developing sports recognition
Post by Wulf the Clubber Dubbered on Dec 19, 2009 3:54:38 GMT -5
Just a note about the 16 clubs...I'm with Rowan on what he said on Thursday. We shouldn't be making nothin' but clubs. We should do about half swords and half clubs, imo. We need more swords.
hey just a comment. Why 16? and why 10? seems a bit much? I understand loaner gear is for, well, loaner, but the principle behind loaner gear is that its our left over crap that when people use it, they think, "Hey, I should really build my own stuff cause this stuff is crap. " please please please remember its not our prerogative to provide weapons for everybody, but to encourage them to build there own stuff.
There are in every man, at every hour, two simultaneous postulations, one towards God, the other towards Satan. - Charles Baudelaire
actually, now that I've thought about it a bit more, I don't think we should be building to much more loner gear at all, but repairing what we have first, and then keeping/giving/selling that material to our members at a highly highly highly reduced rate.
There are in every man, at every hour, two simultaneous postulations, one towards God, the other towards Satan. - Charles Baudelaire
Post by Wulf the Ready for New Gear on Dec 19, 2009 16:13:19 GMT -5
I think I agree Milli. I was commenting that we could use more swords in the loaner stuff because well...there's like none. I think of this gear as such: it's our training armory.
If you are learning something new, you use the training weapons. If you are learning to fight, you use the training weapons. We should have a little of everything (including spears, reds, polearms, etc.) in the training stuff so that it's there for training/testing. Obviously we don't want to ruin our good gear learning new forms. How many times have we leant out a weapon to some new guy just learning florentine or flail or whathaveyou only to have that nice piece of gear snap from misuse? That's why we have the training gear.
We need a good amount of stuff in there so that we can drag some to events for backup as well. If your good gear snaps at an event, it's nice to have a backup, and if you're new, you don't have that yet. It can be hard to convince someone to loan you something once you just broke your own weapon.
Ultimately though, yes, we have a LOT of good gear left in the bag that just needs some minor repairs. I'm also all for selling the training gear at a discount rate to new people, provided most of that money goes to repair/replace/make something else in the armory. Also, we're talking about using the IPFW fund to produce gear for the IPFW club, so I think we should be thinking about producing some REALLY GOOD gear with that fund for doing demos, not a bunch more training stuffs. Some of that fund should also go for producing some good quality basic garb for looking nice at the demos as well. That's my opinion anyway -- which counts, now that I've been re-admitted to IPFW :-P
Post by Duke Fontayne on Dec 19, 2009 18:26:39 GMT -5
Also, isn't part of the IPFW club teaching members how to build weapons and shields correctly. It is not only a matter of mass producing gear for the club, but also teaching the basics of foam smithing to those who have not had experience doing so.
We could build a small arsenal so IPFW students could give it a try and see if they like Dag and want to join the club. Once they join they would be shown how to make a weapon. This would mean that as new members joined they would potentially be making their own weapon relatively soon.
If we have an abundance of fighting gear already created to loan out, does that run the risk of making an excuse not to show new people how to make it themselves? And the new recruit may not feel motivated to learn. Not that this will happen, but it might be something to be aware of as we get the club going.
I am down for lending what skills I have to the building of the club's tools of destruction. Can we build a couple curved weapons, maybe more for show than fighting, that resemble some mastadon tusks?
Duke Fontayne Quartermaster Warrior of the Northern Steppes
"We make war that we may live in peace." - Aristotle
I can understanding building a small amount of weapons to start you off but, if you are gonna make 10 blue foam shields that will take a long time. it takes about 3-4 hours of hardcore building and concentration to produce one really good shield. I see us working on these items for a good 60 hours of total combined hours of work.
Did you try contacting some small dag builders to see if you can get a discount on weapons and that why you can focus on blue shields if that what you really want???
I'm not saying i wont help if thats your wish but just remember you dangling this nice building spot in front of the chapter and we need to get chapter stuff built too.
Post by Frindly Neighborhood ChaosLord on Dec 19, 2009 23:22:25 GMT -5
I'm with mili on this one as well. Loaner gear should suck balls. My first practice i came out and used a loaner sword and shield. The thing was heavy and crappy. That night i met up with bishop and made my own red sword. I think wanting to have my own nice stuff made me closer to alot of the dag members who were around when i started, because i wanted to go to builds to help out and make more and more weapons. Just my thaughts. P.S. I will be out Sunday to fight at 2ish red sword in hand. Ready to bath in the blood of all who stand in my way
There is $500 for the group just to be used on gear if we don't spend it we loose it. Only spending about $250 on suplies tax free this should make 4 shields and 6 blues give or take.
The END goal is 10 and 16 like after 2-3 months of work. 20 rolls isnt enough for that but its a start. If we can get enough people to help out we can make more in the 4 hours they can open for us. We will eventually have a locker to fit it all in. I honestly thought that wasn't a big end goal number,
OK, we can make a mix of loaner and good stuff, swords and bats, big and small punches, but we will need the surplus of gear when we fight on campus in the spring. Rowan asked for 10 bats and 10 shields
the table is 15x10 in a large well ventilated space. with extra counter space and 3 smaller tables. I'm doing what was asked of me moths ago that has just now been able to come through.
I'm not dangling the space in front of the chapter this is stuff that needs done, and were not going to make junk for the new players. It will be sturdy well made loaner for use for new players.
If you want to fix the old stuff then do it. Ive had builds open to unit and chapter. Ive tried to have group repair days in the past and ended up fixing all the gear on my own, so by we you mean me?
These builds will be for new gear. I think its rowans plan to fix and sell the current gear to go towards a future "pay event." I sudjest some people start a joint bank account. (Mili and O maybe)
We can ask for more $ in 3 months for... anything relay. events bus trips, garb, event fees, blackjack, whisky... oh wait no
Yeah before I say anything else john, I do apologize for not saying stuff sooner and I swear im not trying to belly ache or anything. Unfortunately I'm thinking of this all after the fact. I guess this is just for future stuff?
Beard brought up a good point too, if we are looking to get weapons in bulk, maybe we should take a peak into some online places and get some quotes on what type of deals they could do for us if we throw around some big $ numbers. We could potentially get everything we are looking for a decent amount.
As far as loaner stuff, 10 of each is gonna be way overkill. I can see having 1 of each kind of weapon for "training" purposes, but what will end up happening is that people will end up just using that stuff instead of building their own gear. The old cliche is very true in this situation: "Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime."
Besides everything else, remember that loaner gear is a pain. It's a pain to keep up, it's a pain to make, its a pain to repair, it cost money, and its also a huge pain to truck around to every practice etc.. John you also brought up a point that you've tried to have repair days and it's only been you fixing loaner stuff, tbh if we just encourage everyone to make/own their own equipment, we no longer have this problem. ntm also, you gain a certain respect for equipment when you make it yourself and this is what we need to be passing on to new folks.
Honestly, I think loaner gear should consist of 3 shields, 3-6 clubs, 1 red, a polearm, and that's it. thats a pretty manageable amount and should cover just about any small crowd that comes and is curious about what we do. I wouldn't even have a problem with going as far as saying if your new, you can use our gear for 3 practices, then you either build your own stuff or you watch from the sidelines.
There are in every man, at every hour, two simultaneous postulations, one towards God, the other towards Satan. - Charles Baudelaire
Yeah before I say anything else john, I do apologize for not saying stuff sooner and I swear im not trying to belly ache or anything. Unfortunately I'm thinking of this all after the fact. I guess this is just for future stuff?
Beard brought up a good point too, if we are looking to get weapons in bulk, maybe we should take a peak into some online places and get some quotes on what type of deals they could do for us if we throw around some big $ numbers. We could potentially get everything we are looking for a decent amount.
As far as loaner stuff, 10 of each is gonna be way overkill. I can see having 1 of each kind of weapon for "training" purposes, but what will end up happening is that people will end up just using that stuff instead of building their own gear. The old cliche is very true in this situation: "Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime."
Besides everything else, remember that loaner gear is a pain. It's a pain to keep up, it's a pain to make, its a pain to repair, it cost money, and its also a huge pain to truck around to every practice etc.. John you also brought up a point that you've tried to have repair days and it's only been you fixing loaner stuff, tbh if we just encourage everyone to make/own their own equipment, we no longer have this problem. ntm also, you gain a certain respect for equipment when you make it yourself and this is what we need to be passing on to new folks.
Honestly, I think loaner gear should consist of 3 shields, 3-6 clubs, 1 red, a polearm, and that's it. thats a pretty manageable amount and should cover just about any small crowd that comes and is curious about what we do. I wouldn't even have a problem with going as far as saying if your new, you can use our gear for 3 practices, then you either build your own stuff or you watch from the sidelines.
And another "after the fact" thought is that we should be buying evalite in bulk instead of blue camp foam. It's way higher quality and is even cheaper than blue if we buy more than $50 worth.
So yeah, :/ future.
There are in every man, at every hour, two simultaneous postulations, one towards God, the other towards Satan. - Charles Baudelaire
I have also taken the liberty of searching for some deals on the net. www.bestdagstuff.com has some pretty wicked deals including the new option of arsenals. Arsenals are the materials are already precut and all you have to do is assemble them. All the materials are made from premium stuff like fiberglass and evalite. Interesting enough the the "storm of swords" aresenal gives you enough materials to make 10 swords with stabby tips for $209.00 dollars before shipping. The site says that it costs about 350 for all these materials seperatley.