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Post by Duke Fontayne on Mar 29, 2010 9:34:43 GMT -5
To all those thinking that they might be going to Ragnarok this year and swinging some foam, please read this (link below). www.dagorhir.com/forums/index.php?topic=18240.0I would hate for people to get to Rag and be told that their favorite gear didn't pass inspection.
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Post by Osric on Mar 29, 2010 9:46:59 GMT -5
very interesting. If they hold to it lots of the clubs used would fail. thanks for bringing are attention to this Duke.
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Post by Ska'ar Wulfsiger on Mar 29, 2010 12:33:31 GMT -5
I expect they will hold to this. Announcements like this aren't made on a whim. This will likely become the standard at all events within the next couple years. Honestly though, why would so many clubs fail? I don't know of anyone with a club face with less than a 3" diameter all around (that's what cross-section means) for 12" that has passed. Some of the fiberglass cored bats might be questionable tho' if they only used 2 layers of wrapping and were tightly compressed. But I'm pretty sure I've always heard the rule was 3" round, 12" long for the striking edge out of the vets here doing checks and giving tips.
Otherwise, if anyone's putting more than a metal cap on the "business" end, and/or weighting the back end, they should be kicked out. I think everyone in this chapter knows not to put metal cores or metal weights above the grip or in shields...It's a good post to read tho'.
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Post by Duke Fontayne on Mar 29, 2010 12:52:34 GMT -5
There has been quite a bit of 'discussion' on the national board about rules interpretation.
Some groups:
A) Require clubs/round swords to have a minimum of 3" diameter to conform to the rule about double edged swords being a minimum of 3" x 1.25".
B) Require clubs/round swords to have a minimum of 2.5" diameter to conform to the stabbing tip rule.
C) Require clubs?round swords to have a minimum of 2" diameter to coform to the non-stabbing tip rule.
All groups still perform the hit test to verify the safety of the weapons.
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Post by Duke Fontayne on Mar 29, 2010 12:59:49 GMT -5
Honestly, I had been building to the >2.5" spec. Tight spiral wrapping of the first and sometimes second layer really reduces the thickness of foam.
Do we know if Mittlemarch will be inspecting the same way as outlined in the link above at the Olympics?
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Post by Syr Kaigar Vegulfr Lodbroksonr on Mar 29, 2010 15:53:17 GMT -5
This is going to be the way things are done at Rag this year. Laithe (The guy who posted that), is Head Weapons checker, and he feels that this is the best interpretation of the rules, making a blanket standard for all blue weapons.
To my knowledge, no other events will be effected by this, unless there is a vote to officially change the MOA at RWC, or the hosting realm/chapter makes that decision.
As for the previous standard...As far as I know, most realms allow stabby-tip bats to be 2.5" at the tip, and 2" for non-stabby.
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Post by stubbie on Mar 29, 2010 19:43:35 GMT -5
Duke : I am not positive but I have heard that Head Weapons Checker at O's will be using EXACTLY the same rules as Rag to check weapons, to help weed out "problems" prior to Rag. Again, I have heard, and as I'm not in on planning O's, I don't actually know . Just plan on having a legal sword if your club can fit >.5" through a 3" diameter hole.
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Post by Ska'ar Wulfsiger on Mar 31, 2010 21:16:51 GMT -5
To my knowledge, no other events will be effected by this, unless there is a vote to officially change the MOA at RWC, or the hosting realm/chapter makes that decision. The thing is it isn't a rules change, it's an interpretation, and if the head weapons checker at Rag is going to use that interpretation, I expect many other realms will follow suit. I've always been under the inclination that if it can't pass at Rag, it shouldn't pass anywhere. I do understand how the interpretation could be confusing, because of the tip rules (striking or non-striking). I don't think RWC ever intended the rules about the tip of the weapon to subjugate the minimum thickness rules for the striking edges, however, and this has become an issue. I'd imagine there may be some kind of voting to clarify that in the next MOA update, but until that is done, I would still suggest everyone start making sure their clubs will pass the 3" diameter stipulations before taking it to any event, or bring another weapon or two that will pass. I imagine Mittelmarch and Eryndor will both likely start using this interpretation, and Aratari will as well. NS will have to make a decision as well I'm sure, but until then, I'd presume we're still an eyeball and hit-test chapter for now.
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